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apoggy · Nov 15, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

The proof was given long ago that they still dropped and confirmed by the DEVS. However you still have those here that refuse to believe it.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=65

Heres the exact quote that gaile got from john. But if you guys want to go ahead and keep lying go ahead.

there is no mention there that this a max req 7 anyway, Gaile even comments about this.

Considering the amount of time since NF release, surely one drop would have surfaced by now, the law of averages dictates.

MisterB · Nov 15, 2010, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

The proof was given long ago that they still dropped and confirmed by the DEVS. However you still have those here that refuse to believe it.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=65

Heres the exact quote that gaile got from john. But if you guys want to go ahead and keep lying go ahead.

That's nice, but Gaile also told everyone that the mini polar bear didn't exist. So, screen shot of a post-NF max R7, or it didn't happen. Nightfall came out over four years ago. Millions of drops have happened, yet no screen shot exists of a max R7 weapon. Until proof is shown, there is no reason to believe it exists.

afya · Nov 15, 2010, 11:37 PM // 23:37

I'll believe what Gaile said, but John, tune it up a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit. Otherwise, there is no different than none.

Daesu · Nov 16, 2010, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

In short:
- there is no proof that q8's still drop aside from shields/foci/swords.

Actually max q8 bows still drop. Try farming in factions.

My hero is using one, but it has 14% instead of 15% and it is not inscribable.

I have another one, I also have a max q8 dagger.

manitoba1073 · Nov 16, 2010, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Sure, but I'd want to see proof first. Hell, even give me a screenie of a max q8 that is not a focus/sword/shield (and dropped after NF release) and I'll give in immediately. I don't know this 'item designer John', but maybe he's not aware of the changes in drops after the NF release.

John is the one who wrote the loot code and deals with. If you dont want to believe him, well there no convincing you otherwise. Ecspecially since you dont even seem to think r8 drop anymore.

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Originally Posted by apoggy

there is no mention there that this a max req 7 anyway, Gaile even comments about this.
Considering the amount of time since NF release, surely one drop would have surfaced by now, the law of averages dictates.

Oh boy another one thats trying to go on about how its not max r7 that was asked about. Come on do you honestly want to stand there and try to convince everyone here that VERY VERY VERY RARE means non-maxed and that anyone would ask if non max r7 drops?

Onto the law of averages, Kinda fails when the areas that they drop are almost never farmed and un-bottable.

Now it has been discussed where they would have the best chances of dropping, go ahead search the forums, its here. I'm done explaining where for the millionith time.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

That's nice, but Gaile also told everyone that the mini polar bear didn't exist. So, screen shot of a post-NF max R7, or it didn't happen. Nightfall came out over four years ago. Millions of drops have happened, yet no screen shot exists of a max R7 weapon. Until proof is shown, there is no reason to believe it exists.

A screenshot will never matter, no one would believe it anyways as they have been posted before, and the same claim is always called. ITS A SHOP.

As far as Gaile and the MPB goes at the time it was asked of her, she didnt know about it as it was only found in the .dat file.

Quite frankly though I dont really care whether you guys or gals believe that they don't drop. Just know that its been confirmed that they do by the DEV that wrote the code and other sites laugh at ppl here that just dont want to believe the truth.

So enjoy your obliviousness and happy gaming.

Dzjudz · Nov 16, 2010, 12:11 PM // 12:11

We do have a serious thread going on about research into the max stats of low req weapons on this forum. Nobody has posted a q7 max weapon or a q8 max weapon that is not a shield/focus/sword of post-nightfall drops. Please do.

You (and the 'other forums') can laugh all you want. That doesn't give us any proof of your claims validity.

@Daesu: do you have a screenshot of it dropping by any chance? The problem with uninscribables is that they might have dropped before nightfall release and people get confused and don't remember when they got the drop exactly. I got a q7 Magmas Shield, so I know max q7's used to drop. However, I'm sure it was way before Nightfall release.

spun ducky · Nov 16, 2010, 01:54 PM // 13:54

I don't know why these threads usually bother me but I am at least one of the original players who has been around since beta. I am also an avid req 7 collector along with other odds and ends. I at least when I still played was one of the major farmers as I posted quite a few popular builds here.

In my total 10k+ hours of play which was mostly farming and chest running yes even the old school chests in the jungle I have personally got only 3 req7 items. I have gotten probably around 40-50 req 8 and the factors that were always common for these drops were the same.

1. NORMAL MODE

2.LEVEL 18-22 creatures

3.Tyria mainly in the late jungle/desert and early factions campaign(not noob island)

4.Creatures that I have witnessed to drop either q8/q7 items:
Forest Minotaur
Desert Minotaur
Desert Griffon
The forgotten guys in the desert
sand drakes
fog nightmares
The 2 Undead Executioners at the start of Sanctum Cay
Afflicted in vizunah square(This is where my Brother got a q7 plagueborn focus)
Jungle Trolls

5.In a interesting note one of the q7 came from a keyless chest and I want to point out the keyless chest during kilroy in sorrows furnace still has the old drop table intact. It doesn't drop golds but that was changed long long ago.

I haven't played in a few months but when a thread like this came up last time only took me about an hour to get a q8 max drop in the jungle to show those at least still drop.

The final closing thoughts I want to leave on are this Gaile has confirmed post nightfall they still drop. The main reasons they are pretty much non existant now is because everyone farms in HM. The areas bots can farm are not the proper areas for the drop. The number of players is a lot lower than it use to be and everyone prefers to power trade instead of raw gold/material farming now. The areas they were most common to drop in were never major farm zones except a few spots and that ties in with the sheer lack of players.

Yawgmoth · Nov 16, 2010, 02:41 PM // 14:41

How funny people still believe and fail to realise that there was a NERF at the Nightfall release day! I have observed and was sure of it mere DAYS after it happened and it's taking over 4 years for you to realise the obvious fact. Hilarious.

For me the clear understanding of how the GW drop generation system works and what the nerf exactly did is enough. No need for other proof.
For everyone else let the FACT that since the NERF there was not even a single one confirmed max req.7 drop be the proof.

You can keep believing in the blatant lies and misinterpretations in this thread instead of common sense and facts, keep believing forever, that won't help you getting even 1 max req7 drop ever, because the chance is not 0.0000001% but a straight ZERO.

MithranArkanere · Nov 16, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Nerf? Intentional or not, if they made something that actually stopped maxed req7 from dropping that won't be a nerf, that would be a FIX.
When it comes to drops, there's an easy question you can make to answer if those drops should exist or not:
- Can you replicate it with the PvP item creation panel?
If the answer is no, either the PvP item creation panel lacks one type of mod and should be added to the list of mods available for it, or that kind of drop should never exist.

No item that can't be replicated with th PvP item creation panel should exist in PvP, excepting 'joke' greens that are actually useless, like the Ogre-slaying knife. And any property not available for PvP like "Highly salvageable" or " of xxx-Slaying" should be an extra PvE only property that does not use any of the upgrade slots.
That also goes for that -50 HP Grim Cesta.

Having PvE characters using pets PvP characters could not replicate was bad enough, and they fixed that too. It doesn't matter if the difference between the pet evolutions was so small, there was a difference PvP characters could not replicate.
Now that they fixed that, all that's left is weapons.

They probably don't change that kind of drops because that would require an insane amount of time and effort, but once the PvP item creation panel was added, that became the new standard and norm, and any item that does not follow the rules of the new system, it's just a vestige of old mistakes. Like those adds in the fifties with people smoking as if that was actually good and those huge gas-eating cars and... all that horrible things in the past.
They though those things were good, or with some kind of reason back then, and today you still have retrograde energumen 'people' that would rather go back to those times, just because they could leave their house open without anyone stealing their stuffs.
Well, sorry, you house wasn't safer because you used a horrible car or because you smoke. Those are unrelated things.
But now we know they were wrong. Generally speaking, most new inventions and simpler systems are always better, both in real life and games.
In the same way, GW wasn't 'better' because people had to cope with uniscribed items. It was better just because there was more people and it was brand new and more exciting.
Getting useless drops 99.999...% of the time didn't make it better. Getting USEFUL drops 5..10% of the time makes it better. So what if you no longer can sell for more than 25K something that you could sell for more than 100K before?

Fortunately, they could at least update the armors to the new system. But getting all that useless merchant fodder in Prophecies and Factions will always be my little pet peeve.

Daesu · Nov 16, 2010, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

@Daesu: do you have a screenshot of it dropping by any chance? The problem with uninscribables is that they might have dropped before nightfall release and people get confused and don't remember when they got the drop exactly. I got a q7 Magmas Shield, so I know max q7's used to drop. However, I'm sure it was way before Nightfall release.

I don't have a screenshot of them dropping and I can't remember when they dropped. I could have sworn that they dropped for me about 2 years ago though. I even had 2 q8 hammers but I cant find them now.

Anyway if anyone believes that they still drop, the places to farm would be:

1. Amh Fah and Afflicted in Cantha
2. Near Druid's Overlook in Tyria

Axeman002 · Nov 16, 2010, 04:56 PM // 16:56

also note...alot of people may not realise there worth...most of the time, i dont pick blues up...but i always check as i know what to look out for...but for someone new or even unsure of weapon rarity...they will/might just merch it thinking its worthless (and i bet there is alot that has done).

Yawgmoth · Nov 16, 2010, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

also note...alot of people may not realise there worth...most of the time, i dont pick blues up...but i always check as i know what to look out for...but for someone new or even unsure of weapon rarity...they will/might just merch it thinking its worthless (and i bet there is alot that has done).

Right. People, look at the white/blue trash on the ground. If you find for example a max white req.8 Axe or Hammer and screenshot it while still assigned to a player it will be enough of a proof that a gold one also has a possibility of dropping. Knowing how the GW dropsystem works I cannot just say that req.8 max Axe or Hammer is impossible, but we can assume they're impossible because not a single one has been confirmed to drop since the big bad nerf.

And those who still believe in max req.7 possibility - get even 1 white, even a focus, as foci were always the most common among the low reqs. But I can assure you that the chance for even a white max req.7 anything is still zero, definately.

manitoba1073 · Nov 16, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

1. NORMAL MODE

2.LEVEL 18-22 creatures

5.In a interesting note one of the q7 came from a keyless chest and I want to point out the keyless chest during kilroy in sorrows furnace still has the old drop table intact. It doesn't drop golds but that was changed long long ago.

The final closing thoughts I want to leave on are this Gaile has confirmed post nightfall they still drop. The main reasons they are pretty much non existant now is because everyone farms in HM. The areas bots can farm are not the proper areas for the drop. The number of players is a lot lower than it use to be and everyone prefers to power trade instead of raw gold/material farming now. The areas they were most common to drop in were never major farm zones except a few spots and that ties in with the sheer lack of players.

A. Your level range is a tad off for best results. Its actually 17-19 is the best range.

B. The chest had there actual full loot tables changed. Sucks I know, but unlike some believe they werent nerfed just changed completely.

C. Yeap exactly right on. They are in spots where they cant be botted for drops and outa the way places for majority of ppl.

MithranArkanere · Nov 16, 2010, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

also note...alot of people may not realise there worth...most of the time, i dont pick blues up...but i always check as i know what to look out for...but for someone new or even unsure of weapon rarity...they will/might just merch it thinking its worthless (and i bet there is alot that has done).

Nightfall even has some skins that only drop in a certain rarity.

I hate that.

They fixed that in Eye of the north, by giving them different names, in the form of names like "Lesser xxxxx"/"xxxx"/"Greater xxxxx".
That's better.

Dzjudz · Nov 16, 2010, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

I haven't played in a few months but when a thread like this came up last time only took me about an hour to get a q8 max drop in the jungle to show those at least still drop.

And people, guess what kind of weapon it was??

*drum roll*

A Focus!

Nice of you to imply all q7's and q8's still drop, but we've already long established that q8 foci/swords/shields still drop. Please find a different max q8 and then we'll start talking about q7's

.

manitoba1073 · Nov 17, 2010, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

And people, guess what kind of weapon it was??

*drum roll*

A Focus!

Nice of you to imply all q7's and q8's still drop, but we've already long established that q8 foci/swords/shields still drop. Please find a different max q8 and then we'll start talking about q7's

.

I seriously hope your just trolling. Its bad enough that you can't believe the DEV that wrote the loot coding, you're still under some false belief that r8 maxes dont drop. But hey what the hell. Heres a weapon I got well after NF , when the rumors of inscriptions were going to be added everywhere.Though I'm quite sure you will come up with more excuses. I aquired it standing in a town buying golds for 5k. Theres also a thread here somewhere where I was making fun of ppl because I was buying them at 5k a pop.

Can't wait for the excuses. As it was dropped we'll after NF.

LicensedLuny · Nov 17, 2010, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Well, manitoba1073, I really do not mean at all to offend you, honest! I'm not sure why you (and some other people here) seem to be taking this so personally, but I am sorry for how upset it seems to make you guys.

The staff you're showing is already in your inventory, while you're standing in a town/guild hall. That's hardly proof of when that staff dropped. I have various things in my character's inventories which dropped years ago that I can still take a screenshot of, too. You admit that you bought it from another player; that's another indication that we don't know when that staff dropped.

Me, I'm not opposed the possibility of such a thing still dropping ... I simply don't believe it will still drop today unless I see a screenshot of one dropped on the ground, assigned to a player, with a clearly post-NF interface.

And that staff in your picture? It doesn't have the built-in 20% HSR of all spells that started appearing on staffs sometime between Factions' and Nightfall's release. So I do not believe it is anywhere near a recent drop.

EDIT - Ok, adding this in an edit rather than new post, since this discussion is really beginning to derail the thread (not that it wasn't already derailed ... but hey, it's Riverside! Flame on!)

Here's a quote from wiki, the Oct. 25 2006 Game Update notes, from two days before Nightfall's official release.

Quote:

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Equipment Balance Changes

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Green item staffs, crafted staffs, and collector staffs with any sort of recharge bonus have been updated to reduce the recharge time of all spells with a chance of 20% instead of the attribute-specific bonuses they had previously.
...

...

They changed a lot of stuff in that update, preparing for NF's release. Staffs dropped before that update did not have the built-in 20% HSR all spells that modern staffs drop with. They updated green and collector/crafter staffs, but not the existing gold ones to have the new "max base."

So that's when the staff update happened.

Cheers

manitoba1073 · Nov 17, 2010, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

Well, manitoba1073, I really do not mean at all to offend you, honest! I'm not sure why you (and some other people here) seem to be taking this so personally, but I am sorry for how upset it seems to make you guys.

The staff you're showing is already in your inventory, while you're standing in a town/guild hall. That's hardly proof of when that staff dropped. I have various things in my character's inventories which dropped years ago that I can still take a screenshot of, too. You admit that you bought it from another player; that's another indication that we don't know when that staff dropped.

Me, I'm not opposed the possibility of such a thing still dropping ... I simply don't believe it will still drop today unless I see a screenshot of one dropped on the ground, assigned to a player, with a clearly post-NF interface.

And that staff in your picture? It doesn't have the built-in 20% HSR of all spells that started appearing on staffs sometime between Factions' and Nightfall's release. So I do not believe it is anywhere near a recent drop.

I take it personally as people are trying to spread false information thats been confirmed by the DEV that wrote the codes for loot.

I didnt say it dropped recently, I said I aquired it when the rumors that inscriptions were going to be added to everywhere. Now if you want to claim that someone supposedly held onto that staff un-id'd for we'll over a year before selling it to me, well thats fine but very very very doubtfull. Seeing as at the time factions came out and the subsequent year till nightfall that staff would have been worth a big bundle. Like I said theres a thread floating around here of when I got it from said person as it was one of the many I had purchased that were r8 weapons for 5k. But as said before you wont find them if your not in the right areas to get them.

Dzjudz · Nov 17, 2010, 01:58 AM // 01:58

First: you acquired it when there were rumours that inscriptions were going to be added to everywhere.

Second: you bought it from someone, that means that person got it before that time.

Third: you have absolutely not forwarded any proof of the validity of your claims except some vague second-hand information.

Fourth: do 10% inherent HSR gold staves even drop any more?

Conclusion: you have no idea when it dropped and from the sound of your post it was a very long time ago.

Also, I would again like to point out that I'm perfectly willing to concede on the so far proven and researched claim that q8's don't drop aside from shields/foci/swords if someone forwards credible evidence.

manitoba1073 · Nov 17, 2010, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

First: you acquired it when there were rumours that inscriptions were going to be added to everywhere.

Second: you bought it from someone, that means that person got it before that time.

Third: you have absolutely not forwarded any proof of the validity of your claims except some vague second-hand information.

Fourth: do 10% inherent HSR gold staves even drop any more?

Conclusion: you have no idea when it dropped and from the sound of your post it was a very long time ago.

Also, I would again like to point out that I'm perfectly willing to concede on the so far proven and researched claim that q8's don't drop aside from shields/foci/swords if someone forwards credible evidence.

1. Which was after EotN, as I said long after NF.

2. Once again as I said it was well after EotN. Now do you seriously believe someone would have held onto a un-id'd r8 zodiac staff that long and just whimiscally sold it for 5k? We're talking before EotN those were going 500k+.

3. Yes because word from the DEV that actually wrote the coding is worthless huh. So answer me this question , do you think non-max r7 weapons are VERY VERY VERY?

4. I dont really pay much attention to that stuff. If its something I like I generally keep informed of , otherwise I generally give away.

Conclusion: I never said it was a recent drop. As a matter of fact I believe I gave a time frame of awhile ago. Sometime after EotN and before 2yrs ago. Since I have for all intents and purposes stopped playing since then.

And I doubt you would concede at all, more like just claim more BS about it. You've been given the general areas and ranges by Spun Ducky. Go at it.